General Ignorance And Specific Ignorance [about Notaries]

General Ignorance And Specific Ignorance [about Notaries]

Some 25 years ago I was a partner in a firm of Solicitors which wanted to improve its marketing.

We employed marketing experts to assist and their first piece of advice was that we should carry out surveys and questionnaires. To ask our own clients and other businesses and potential referrers and potential competition in the City about their present perception of our business. Based upon that feedback we could decide which areas of our marketing image and brand we would need to address or improve.

The rather eye-opening fact about the responses when we were able to consider them was that those canvassed who had actually heard of us thought that we were very good however 95% of the responses said “Never Heard Of Them”.

At least the good news about that was that we could start from a clean sheet!

It may be that the Notarial profession in England is also something which is providing a very good service for those who have heard of it but in the main the response would similarly be “Never Heard Of It”

It often surprises me when I learn how clients have decided to instruct me.

The usual or expected path would be for a foreign lawyer to advise that a particular document requires Notarisation in England, the prospective client goes to a computer and Googles “Notary Leeds” or something similar and finds my name and address and off we go.

This is by no means always the case. [There are people who still use the yellow pages directory. My Mum.]

Recently I have acted for a lady who received paperwork from Turkey which needs Notarisation in England. She was told that this would not cost her anything and that the Turkish lawyers would pay the Notary’s fees.

For reasons which I think are not clear now even to her, my client decided to make her first enquiry of Leeds City Council! Really?

She telephoned their legal team to be told three completely wrong statements viz:-
1. There are no Public Notaries in Leeds;
2. A Power of Attorney for Turkey can be completed in Leeds and certified by any Solicitor;
3. If she were to instruct a Solicitor to do this then she would have to pay the fees there and then because “you would be the client”

Accordingly the information she received was exactly wrong three times out of three – almost breath-taking in its wrongness!

Clearly the public branding of the Notarial image still has a mountain to climb, if even some Solicitors have not heard of us.

A further generally-held but incorrect opinion is that in England a Notary Public [even if you have heard of him] cannot undertake Conveyancing nor work in the area of Probate of Wills and Estates.

Again, exactly wrong.

It may be that some readers of this Blog are themselves Solicitors who perhaps wrongly understand that Notaries may not carry out Conveyancing or Probate work in England. Perhaps therefore this blog could serve as an “aide memoir” as to that.

The standard Council for Mortgage Lenders’ handbook confirms that all parties’ regulated legal representatives must be verified – and “legal representatives” are defined by the Legal Services Act 2007 schedule 4 and schedule 7 paragraph 5.

The acceptable legal representatives are “those who are currently on record with the Solicitors Regulation Authority, the Council for Licenced Conveyancers or other legal regulatory body”.

The legal body concerned in the case of a Notary is the Faculty Office of the Archbishop of Canterbury – Link here .

The Faculty Office issues its Practising Certificates to Notaries and regulates the activities of Notaries under the ultimate supervision of the Legal Services Board.

The Legal Services Board is also the ultimate regulator of the Law Society which regulates Solicitors.

Here is a link to the Solicitors Regulation Authority – their paragraph “where we fit in with other approved regulators” is helpful.

Happy Christmas to You, here’s a lovely song

If you would like to have your [or your Company’s] Notarial work done properly, do please get in touch – You can contact me or Louise here at AtkinsonNotary E7 Joseph’s Well Leeds LS3 1AB, phone 0113 8160116 and email

Litigants in Person. And Two Dogs.

Litigants in Person. And Two Dogs.

In my blog of April 2015 – link here – I referred to the perhaps unforeseen consequences of reforms in Court procedures following the guidance of Lord Woolf.

Taken together with continuing reductions in legal aid availability the results seem to be that unrepresented Litigants are increasingly clogging up the Court system.

This is usually not done on purpose, but because in the absence of a skilled lawyer to represent him, a litigant in person is liable to become blinded by the inherent rightness of his grievance [according to him], and unable to understand when or why it is time to give up.

In my earlier article I gave an example in the way even a clever litigant who is unpresented, could misunderstand the functions and powers of the Court.  This can result in the production of pleadings and paperwork requiring many hours of the Courts time in respect of claims which have no prospect of success whatsoever.

Partly the problem might even be the innate politeness of the Judges in Britain.

They rarely reduce their findings to a single sentence which can be given in ten minutes.

Such as “Your pleadings are nonsense: Get out of my Court”.

There is an academic report link here – which highlights the difficulty caused by the complexity of the law coupled with the trend to deny Litigants access to affordable Lawyers.

However as a recent case makes it plain, not every litigant-in-person is the sort of right-hearted, driven but misguided individual the Courts and academics would properly wish to assist. Not at all.

How about the case of Sabrina Moosun, her children, and her two dogs?

The case is a catalogue of determined pig-headedness and ignorance. It must have cost unknown thousands of pounds.

In that, not too remarkable unfortunately. But it is the only case I have ever seen in which the case heading names the parties to the case as including “and two dogs”

Ms Moosun has brought proceedings against a leading firm of London Solicitors and HSBC bank – not only on behalf of herself and her two children but also naming her two dogs!

Here is the link to the case which shows the Plaintiff named as including two dogs. Link here

I hope I do not disappoint you too much when I draw your attention to paragraph 10 – the Judge has said – after all due consideration and pauses [paws? Sorry.] for thought – that “a dog is not a person” and is not allowed to bring cases to Court. As the Judge remarked, how would the dogs pay, if they lose?

Ms Moosun appears to be someone who is unable to accept that she has done wrong and is unable to accept the consequences and is unable to accept “No” for an answer.

This lady made the mistake of extending her cottage without planning permission. Instead of saying “sorry” and accepting her error and its consequences, she has continued year after year to bring claims against third parties in a forlorn effort to blame someone else for her predicament.

The list of Court applications she has made, which includes failed applications for enforcement notices and judicial reviews and further appeals and applications for leave to appeal coupled with entirely unjustified claims against solicitors and banks for damages of nearly four million pounds without the slightest hint of a reason, shows an entirely depressing waste of the resources of the Courts – it just goes on and on and has taken nearly eight years.

At last the Courts have decided that Mrs Moosun is a person who should not be allowed to enter a Claim in any Civil Court in England for at least the next 2 years.

It appears that there is no such restriction in respect of the dogs. [Is this an example of Wuff justice? Forgive me.]

A song about Dogs – Link here

If you would like to have your Company’s Notarial work done properly, including assisting with Foreign Court Pleadings and Affidavits, do please get in touch – You can contact me or Louise here at AtkinsonNotary E7 Joseph’s Well Leeds LS3 1AB, phone 0113 8160116 and email